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"Conscience Rule" on the chopping block

Postby etowah » Sun Mar 08, 2009 6:53 pm

There is a 30 day comment window on this. which began on February 27http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/obama/chi-conscien
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Re: "Conscience Rule" on the chopping block

Postby 4tees » Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:45 am

The link no workey :(
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Re: "Conscience Rule" on the chopping block

Postby etowah » Tue Mar 10, 2009 8:00 pm

etowah wrote:There is a 30 day comment window on this. which began on February 27http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/obama/chi-conscien


http://www.centerforinquiry.net/blog/ob ... ce_clause/

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Re: "Conscience Rule" on the chopping block

Postby 4tees » Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:57 am

I hope Obama does suspend this rule. If you don't want to participate in a procedure you do not agree with either work for a private health care organization that does not receive federal funds, or work in part of the medical feild that would not expose you to situations your religious beliefs do not agree with.
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Re: "Conscience Rule" on the chopping block

Postby etowah » Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:43 pm

4tees wrote:I hope Obama does suspend this rule. If you don't want to participate in a procedure you do not agree with either work for a private health care organization that does not receive federal funds, or work in part of the medical feild that would not expose you to situations your religious beliefs do not agree with.



Not just a matter of religion, a matter of ethics. And is it safe for the government to eliminate the
factor of conscience and ethics in matters that involve government funding? Then the government
edict replaces personal belief.Scary

The U.S. has a history of accomodating religous and ethical beliefs-conscientous objectors to
military service are given consideration.
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Re: "Conscience Rule" on the chopping block

Postby 4tees » Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:21 am

The government does give consideration and accomodation to religious beliefs to a point, as is described in the article (I do not agree that this is about ethics in any way, shape, or form). Military conscientous objectors is not a good example of this, because the military does not accomodate anyone who can not or will not perform the mission (their job). Unless you are agreeing with me that the health care worker should just leave the medical field (as a military conscientous objector would be forced to leave military service)?

Our government does not replace personal belief, in fact it protects it; as it has done until Bush's religious driven edict in this case. As our constitution requires, our government can not allow the religious belief of some to dictate morality or law for all; fortunately Obama seems to respect this mandate more than W ever did.
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Re: "Conscience Rule" on the chopping block

Postby etowah » Sun Mar 15, 2009 8:02 pm

The medical worker who is against abortion should not be compelled to assist in one, or
be penalized by being terminated from their job. The government should not replace the role
of individual values-look at what happened in Nazi Germany, with the terminal medical
experiments on Jews and POW's.
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Re: "Conscience Rule" on the chopping block

Postby 4tees » Sun Mar 15, 2009 8:21 pm

Again, I don't agree. If someone else can be found to do the procedure then the persons religious beliefs can and should be accomodated. If someone else can not be found then the religious person should be expected to do the job they are paid to do. Nobody is forcing or coercing the religious person to stay at that particular facility or work in that particular field, they have made the CHOICE to be there, and they can make the CHOICE to leave. It's quite simple, work for a private religious based hospital (or similar entity) that does not receive government funding if you are strongly against legal abortion.

What happened in Germany is absolutely nothing like this issue (Bush's insistence that you are with us or against us in regards to Iraq was however like the beginnings of NAZIism). In NAZI Germany, or Stalinist Russia, or MAOist China, or in North Korea today you had or have no choice but to go along; Here in the U.S. you do have a choice.
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